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	<title>Comments on: Exodus 20:1-20</title>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2009/02/16/exodus-201-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3518</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really unsettling you are right I don\&#039;t like this idea of God either.  Personally, I think it actually comments on how families often work. If you think about it the sins of the parents do directly affect the lives of their children and therefore possible further generations. 

I.e. alcoholism / domestic violence often can follow down generations due to children experiencing this when they are growing up and never learning another way and acting this way when they become an adult. This sin must have started at one generation of a family.

I\&#039;m not saying this is part of God\&#039;s direct vengeance / work (I don\&#039;t presume to know anything about how God choses to work) but we do see this pattern every day. It\&#039;s a bit much obviously to say that children should suffer punishment because of their parent\&#039;s sin but unfortunately it just often seems to happen this way. It takes a very strong person not to fall into the same old patterns they were taught as a child, and it requires a knowledge that the ways they were taught were wrong, so it\&#039;s no wonder that often certain destructive behaviours can follow down generations of a family. 

 It\&#039;s a toughie :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really unsettling you are right I don\&#8217;t like this idea of God either.  Personally, I think it actually comments on how families often work. If you think about it the sins of the parents do directly affect the lives of their children and therefore possible further generations. </p>
<p>I.e. alcoholism / domestic violence often can follow down generations due to children experiencing this when they are growing up and never learning another way and acting this way when they become an adult. This sin must have started at one generation of a family.</p>
<p>I\&#8217;m not saying this is part of God\&#8217;s direct vengeance / work (I don\&#8217;t presume to know anything about how God choses to work) but we do see this pattern every day. It\&#8217;s a bit much obviously to say that children should suffer punishment because of their parent\&#8217;s sin but unfortunately it just often seems to happen this way. It takes a very strong person not to fall into the same old patterns they were taught as a child, and it requires a knowledge that the ways they were taught were wrong, so it\&#8217;s no wonder that often certain destructive behaviours can follow down generations of a family. </p>
<p> It\&#8217;s a toughie :S</p>
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		<title>By: Sitham A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sitham A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ant, thank you for your reminder! I am well aware of the bigger picture. Of course all leads to Golgatha and the Ressurection - several hundred years of a spiritual process later. 

Just imagine, standing there at Mount Sinai, having survived the challenges and hardship of the Exodus until now, and then receiving this resentfulness being (possibly- you never know!) condemned for the wrongs others did. This is very unsettling on an emotional individual level, agitating on a social level and threatening on a spiritual level. As an individual I am willing to take over full responsibility for my own goods and wrongs, as a social person in a social relational context (small or big) but I am not accepting to be punished (physical, psychological, spiritual) for what generations before me did. Although I am certainly more than aware of the responsibility I have - being the person I am with all the implications in a genealogical sense. 

This unforgiving resentfulness, coming from a weak place - as I see jealousy as a sign of emotional weakness - is the aspect of the Godhead of the OT I find highly disturbing for myself and politically extremely dangerous for a healthy society. 

There is definitively lots of potential for emotional maturation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ant, thank you for your reminder! I am well aware of the bigger picture. Of course all leads to Golgatha and the Ressurection &#8211; several hundred years of a spiritual process later. </p>
<p>Just imagine, standing there at Mount Sinai, having survived the challenges and hardship of the Exodus until now, and then receiving this resentfulness being (possibly- you never know!) condemned for the wrongs others did. This is very unsettling on an emotional individual level, agitating on a social level and threatening on a spiritual level. As an individual I am willing to take over full responsibility for my own goods and wrongs, as a social person in a social relational context (small or big) but I am not accepting to be punished (physical, psychological, spiritual) for what generations before me did. Although I am certainly more than aware of the responsibility I have &#8211; being the person I am with all the implications in a genealogical sense. </p>
<p>This unforgiving resentfulness, coming from a weak place &#8211; as I see jealousy as a sign of emotional weakness &#8211; is the aspect of the Godhead of the OT I find highly disturbing for myself and politically extremely dangerous for a healthy society. </p>
<p>There is definitively lots of potential for emotional maturation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2009/02/16/exodus-201-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Deep and reverant awe, so that you won&#039;t sin&quot;
Do you think that this section means, that God will help you to keep these commandments?
Do people today still have an awe of God in this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Deep and reverant awe, so that you won&#8217;t sin&#8221;<br />
Do you think that this section means, that God will help you to keep these commandments?<br />
Do people today still have an awe of God in this way?</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bit got cut off so I&#039;m adding a follow up post....the next bit says &quot;But I’m unswervingly loyal to the thousands who love me and keep my commandments&quot;
Simple answer love God and keep His commandments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bit got cut off so I&#8217;m adding a follow up post&#8230;.the next bit says &#8220;But I’m unswervingly loyal to the thousands who love me and keep my commandments&#8221;<br />
Simple answer love God and keep His commandments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitham, I think you are right about that passage being difficult....I find some of the images of God in the Old testament really tough....however that needs to be balanced by God\&#039;s love shown through Jesus and His death for us...sorry if that sounds glib but I don\&#039;t think we should read the Bible in isolated little bits but look at it with a knowledge of what is to come.
Even in that passage I feel it is balanced as God is only punishing those who hate Him...hate is a very strong anti reaction...it is an active process. The counterpoint to that is the next bit that says \</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitham, I think you are right about that passage being difficult&#8230;.I find some of the images of God in the Old testament really tough&#8230;.however that needs to be balanced by God\&#8217;s love shown through Jesus and His death for us&#8230;sorry if that sounds glib but I don\&#8217;t think we should read the Bible in isolated little bits but look at it with a knowledge of what is to come.<br />
Even in that passage I feel it is balanced as God is only punishing those who hate Him&#8230;hate is a very strong anti reaction&#8230;it is an active process. The counterpoint to that is the next bit that says \</p>
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		<title>By: Sitham A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sitham A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m a most jealous God, punishing the children for any sins their parents pass on to them to the third, and yes, even to the fourth generation of those who hate me.&quot; - that&#039;s hard and totally unfair, isn&#039;t it? Being punished/killed for what others did in the past. And if there is a feeling I really dislike in me and others it is jealousy. I have difficulties with a jealous God. LOVE needs neither fear nor threat to convince!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m a most jealous God, punishing the children for any sins their parents pass on to them to the third, and yes, even to the fourth generation of those who hate me.&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s hard and totally unfair, isn&#8217;t it? Being punished/killed for what others did in the past. And if there is a feeling I really dislike in me and others it is jealousy. I have difficulties with a jealous God. LOVE needs neither fear nor threat to convince!</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
		<link>http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2009/02/16/exodus-201-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No other Gods, only me&quot;
How easy it is to have other gods...celebrity....money....etc etc. If only we could learn to keep God in his rightful place in our lives rather than being distracted by things of the world. 
If only it was that easy!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No other Gods, only me&#8221;<br />
How easy it is to have other gods&#8230;celebrity&#8230;.money&#8230;.etc etc. If only we could learn to keep God in his rightful place in our lives rather than being distracted by things of the world.<br />
If only it was that easy!!!</p>
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