Comments on: Matthew 27:1-10 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/ reading the bible as a community Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:29:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: richard http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-760 Fri, 04 May 2007 14:23:30 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-760 Loads (maybe most) other Christians think that too Michael - even some famous and theologically clever ones (even cleverer than me!) - I guess I (and some others) just disagree and think you all "a bit confused" ;-) Seriously tho I really don't buy this "God outside of time" business at all. Loads (maybe most) other Christians think that too Michael - even some famous and theologically clever ones (even cleverer than me!) - I guess I (and some others) just disagree and think you all “a bit confused” ;-)

Seriously tho I really don’t buy this “God outside of time” business at all.

]]> by: Michael http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-756 Thu, 03 May 2007 21:42:16 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-756 But I thought you could pray for something after it happened or something? Maybe I'm a bit confused... But I thought you could pray for something after it happened or something? Maybe I’m a bit confused…

]]> by: richard http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-753 Thu, 03 May 2007 14:56:43 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-753 hmmm sorry Michael but I don't think God's a time traveller. In fact I don't think God is even outside of time. But that is openning a big can of worms! hmmm sorry Michael but I don’t think God’s a time traveller. In fact I don’t think God is even outside of time. But that is openning a big can of worms!

]]> by: Michael http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-752 Thu, 03 May 2007 14:41:14 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-752 It's one of those God is God and all-powerful and we're not moments. I don't have the answer Richard, but I think part of it is that He must give us some free choice, cos otherwise what would He get out of us choosing to worship Him (or not!!). Remember that here, God doesn't have the same constraints on time as we do. He could have let them do whatever they want, then gone back and predicted it beforehand, couldn't He?? In theory at least... It’s one of those God is God and all-powerful and we’re not moments. I don’t have the answer Richard, but I think part of it is that He must give us some free choice, cos otherwise what would He get out of us choosing to worship Him (or not!!).

Remember that here, God doesn’t have the same constraints on time as we do. He could have let them do whatever they want, then gone back and predicted it beforehand, couldn’t He?? In theory at least…

]]> by: richard http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-739 Wed, 02 May 2007 12:19:50 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-739 absolutely Bethan! If you do get your head around it please tell me. Having said that I don't believe that God condemns people to behave in a particular way. absolutely Bethan!
If you do get your head around it please tell me.
Having said that I don’t believe that God condemns people to behave in a particular way.

]]> by: Bethan http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-738 Wed, 02 May 2007 09:59:32 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-738 "And so they unwittingly followed the divine instructions to the letter." I find this bit really hard! Did God condemn these people to behave in this way, hundreds of years before they were born? Are there prophesies that were never fulfilled because the actors chose not to behave in a particular way? It's the old pre-destination vs free choice debate again. I still can't really get my head around it. “And so they unwittingly followed the divine instructions to the letter.”

I find this bit really hard!

Did God condemn these people to behave in this way, hundreds of years before they were born? Are there prophesies that were never fulfilled because the actors chose not to behave in a particular way?

It’s the old pre-destination vs free choice debate again. I still can’t really get my head around it.

]]> by: Pam http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-722 Tue, 01 May 2007 12:33:14 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-722 I cannot describe how precisely this speaks into a situation I have encountered lately - being made to feel condemned and burdened by a group of religious Christian fundamentalists - quibbling over the minutiae and even - in some cases - taking it all out of context. ..... people are in bondage to this, that and the other ..... this action is evil ...... you have to be careful of doing that .... Took me a whole day to recover! What strikes me sooooo much about this reading tho' - is how Judas just could no longer live with himself. It really is a very dramatic part of the story .... in one short line. I cannot describe how precisely this speaks into a situation I have encountered lately - being made to feel condemned and burdened by a group of religious Christian fundamentalists - quibbling over the minutiae and even - in some cases - taking it all out of context. ….. people are in bondage to this, that and the other ….. this action is evil …… you have to be careful of doing that ….

Took me a whole day to recover!

What strikes me sooooo much about this reading tho’ - is how Judas just could no longer live with himself. It really is a very dramatic part of the story …. in one short line.

]]> by: richard http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-719 Tue, 01 May 2007 06:07:34 +0000 http://dream.uk.net/wpblog/2007/05/01/matthew-271-10/#comment-719 incredible how the priests agonise over the ethics of how they use the money that was thier payment for murder, rather than over the ethics of the murder itself. Bad religion seems to have a way of screwing up our ethics so that secondary issues become sources of agonising debate, division and distraction while the main ones are largely ignored. incredible how the priests agonise over the ethics of how they use the money that was thier payment for murder, rather than over the ethics of the murder itself.
Bad religion seems to have a way of screwing up our ethics so that secondary issues become sources of agonising debate, division and distraction while the main ones are largely ignored.

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